Sunday, February 27, 2011

HISTORY LESSONS. HISTORY LESSONS. HISTORY LESSONS.

OUR PARK SYSTEM.  THE NEW ALBANY-FLOYD COUNTY

PARKS SYSTEM.


WHOEVER POSTED THE LINK TO LETTY'S LETTER IN THE

TRIBUNE WE APPRECIATE.  WE MISSED THE TRIBUNE'S

LETTER SECTION THIS PARTICULAR DAY AND IT WAS

INTERESTING TO READ LETTY'S AND LOHMEYER'S LETTERS.


THE LETTERS SEEM TO BE HISTORICAL FODDER BETWEEN TWO

OF OUR ELDER STATES PEOPLE (STATESMEN) IN OUR

COMMUNITY,  AND  SPEAKS VOLUMES (SUBTLY) ABOUT THE

FUTURE OF OUR PARKS.


ONE LETTER HAS GREAT IDEAS AND EXAMPLES OF HOW TO MAKE

SOMETHING WONDERFUL WITH THE LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE

WE HAVE LEFT.


THE OTHER LETTER INDICATES WE NEED TO SELL THE LAND IN

ORDER TO BOLSTER OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS BUDGETS.

OUR THOUGHTS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE AS FOLLOWS:  WE WANT

OUR GREEN SPACE.  WE DO  NOT WANT THIS LAND SOLD IN

ORDER TO PAY ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES/DEPARTMENTS.

WE WANT TO SEE SOME TYPE OF MOVEMENT TOWARDS

THE THINKING OF THE ENTIRE NATION'S WOES AND HOW 

WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE. 


EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE THEIR OWN IDEA OF HOW TO

SOLVE THE ISSUE WHERE STATES, COUNTIES, CITIES,

TEACHERS, UNIONS, ETC., DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. 


ONE PARTICULAR BILL WE WANT REPEALED IS THE HEALTH

CARE BILL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.  THREE COUNCIL

MEMBERS' HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS ARE NOW

BEING PAID FOR PART TIME WORK (IF THAT).  

RIDICULOUS.  


LONG AND SHORT OF IT, WE AGREE WITH LETTY.  WE AGREE WITH

THE PARK WORKERS AND WE AGREE WITH ED CLERE'S ORIGINAL

LEGISLATION. 


WE GUESS IT WILL BE UP TO US TO WOO (SIT ON) THE POWERS

THAT BE NOT TO SELL OUR GREEN SPACE IN ORDER TO PAY

THEIR SALARIES.  WE WANT CONSOLIDATION OF BOARDS

AND DEPARTMENTS.


WE WONDER, TOO,  WHETHER OR NOT OUR LOCAL CITY AND

COUNTY EMPLOYEES UNIONIZED WATCH THE  NEWS AND

REALIZE/RECOGNIZE THE TRUE STATE OF NEW ALBANY'S

FINANCIAL REALITY.  ARE THEY WONDERING WHETHER

NEW ALBANY TAXPAYERS FUTURE WILL BE ABLE TO

SUPPORT OUR UNIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR HIGH RATE

OF PAY (I.E., THE POLICE DEPARTMENT)?


EIGHT FIVE CENTS OF EVERY TAXPAYER DOLLAR COLLECTED

GOES TOWARD THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS. 

IF WE CAN'T MEET THEIR DEMANDS THROUGH CONTRACTS

WITHOUT SPENDING MORE OF THAT DOLLAR, WHO OR WHAT

GIVES?  WHY TAKE THE CHANCE OF JOB INSECURITY,

ESPECIALLY FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION?


WE NEED OUR GREEN SPACE IN ORDER TO HELP ATTRACT

NEW BUSINESSES AND MAKE ALL OF US HAPPY.


YES.  WE'LL STAND WITH LETTY ON HER SIDE OF THE FENCE. 

WE THINK HER SIDE OF THE FENCE IS GREENER, BRIGHTER

AND WILL LAST LONGER.


IT IS SIMPLY BUSINESS AS USUAL IN NEW ALBANY AND REQUIRES

OUTSIDE INTERVENTION (AND ATTENTION) IN ORDER TO TRY

AND SAVE OUR PARKS.  THANK YOU LETTY.

109 comments:

Anonymous said...

Amen. Thank you, Roger Jeffers, for calling attention to the need for legislation. Thank you, Ed Clere, for stepping up to the plate and giving our green space this important legislative attention. Thank you, Letty Walter and Scott Klink, for writing letters to the editor to explain further the need for change and for the link to the bill.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Absolutely.

Anonymous said...

I support Ed Clere's way of thinking...period.

The New Albanian said...

How does the legislation prevent the County from selling off chunks of land?

Anonymous said...

Same as it does the city. Haven't you read the bill?

Oh. I thought not.

Anonymous said...

If you actually read the bill, then you'd see that the city will come out AHEAD in the end...Of course, no one takes time to read the small print. They only let certain people talk them into things. This bill is an excellent bill. No reason for any controversy around it, frankly. None.

Anonymous said...

It's what we referred to as sitting on the powers to be (county). Some are joined at the hip with the city.

Anonymous said...

Just read your blog post. Your darned right we need intervention. This place is full of crooks.

And before anybody gets on here and starts demanding "proof." Well that's hard to get, considering their a bunch of sneaks. (I'm using my nice language today and not calling em worse).

This city is so full of crooks that I don't know how much longer our city can go on like this. It's known all around the state how bad we are. People tell me all the time. The county is almost as bad.

Anonymous said...

I've never actually had any problem personally with Doug England, but it does seem that there are a lot of people who have. It makes me wonder.

Who, exactly, are the crooks? I'm not being sarcastic. Just asking.

Anonymous said...

When a Federal legislator tells you New Albany is the second most corrupt city in the state of Indiana (behind Gary), well, doesn't leave a whole lot of room for guessing who the crooks are.

Our "mess" has been going on now for almost 30 years.

It would take less time and space to tell you who is not a crook in New Albany.

It's really a house of cards. We simply keep trying to pull the right card out and the rest will tumble. There are a lot of good people who have tried and keep trying.

Anonymous said...

The County Folks, teamed with City folks, will make sure the County doesn't sell off our land. We can work with the County.

Anonymous said...

I find it amazing that ANYONE doesn't know about England, Malysz, Rosenbarger, Garry, Wilcox, Wisman...the list goes on down to their flunky, Gibson. How can you not know what they're doing? Don't you live around here, 7:41???

I know...You don't read the Tribune.

ROFLMAO

Anonymous said...

The list goes on up too

Anonymous said...

That's kind of scary, actually. Guess we shouldn't be writing this on a blog.

Anonymous said...

ms. baird still refuses to tell us whether she supports or does not a support a park district. looking like she is quickly earning her name on the list of candidates not to vote for.

Anonymous said...

The bill is a bad idea. It is unconstitutional (illegal) in 2 ways. Even if you like the idea of making parks a priority (which I do), why not do it a legal way instead of an illegal one?

Bill does not impose new tax, but gives ABILITY for fees and taxes...we all know what government does when given ability! They use it! County would have 5-4 control over that issue.

Why should the City defer to the County on every decision about its parks. The county will have 5-4 majority vote on EVERYTHING. The County is the one contributing less to our parks, this bill means more money and more automatic control! No wonder they like it!

There is nothing in the bill that our elected leaders could not agree to do in another, LEGAL fashion if they so desired.

Anonymous 7:22 - I have read the bill and the amendment, and there is nothing to prevent County's majority from selling the land. Please, if you are sincere, provide a citation of page/line number reference. Talking about politics...this bill enables a private sale instead of a public one (page 11). Does that sound like a good, un-political idea? If Yes, why?? Or how about how the City will essentially give its VALUABLE land for no consideration to the parks district for FREE. Know any corporations which want to give away their valuable assets? Parks District will not compensate the City or County for the land the Parks District "takes" (unconstitutional)

I like idea of parks district, but this is a BAD and ILLEGAL way to do it. Why not work to find a better way?

Anonymous said...

Why didn't you?

I trust the County to a degree and comfortable with the fact the County will do the right thing.

Maybe if the City had done the right thing we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Anonymous said...

Crooks? They run this town the way the mafia runs things in New York.
Need another suit? England has a great tailor.

Anonymous said...

The last comment was removed. It basically called people morons and blames the county and maintains the county is trying to sell their portion of community park.

Was England trying to buy them out for his water park?

The New Albanian said...

When every proponent of the parks district bill privately confides a fear of Ted Heavrin's machinations, then what the strangely removed comment said makes a lot of sense. By the way, Heavrin is county council, not city. Are the proponents lying, then?

Anonymous said...

http://newsandtribune.com/floydcounty/x546283514/Appraisals-for-North-Annex-lowered/print

The best thing that ever happened to the Parks department was the recession. If it wasn't for the downturn in the economy Heavrin would have sold part of the park, and built a Youth Shelter inside the current park.

England suggested building a water park inside the park. Believe what you want.

Anonymous said...

And England and Heavrin are good friends.

All I know is someone is lieing.

Anonymous said...

Nothing illegal about the parks bill. You're blowing smoke. The end.

Anonymous said...

"Smoke" huh? The bottom line here is that you should re-read your Indiana Constitution and tell me how article 4 section 23 does not apply to this Bill when the Bill says-many times-"this only applies to Floyd County"??

Or, maybe our legislator should have read his Indiana Constitution before writing Bills which violate it.

Anonymous said...

Why wasn't that Gibson's argument up state? Did he forget?

Anonymous said...

There are all kinds of bills that applies to only one location or to only a few locations, specifically. Don't know much about constitutional law, do you?

Anonymous said...

The reason, in a nutshell, that Gibson did not make this argument in Indianapolis is that he KNOWS that up there, there are constitutional lawyers, several of them, working daily at the statehouse. Any one of them could easily have debunked his claim and he knew it. That's why he was left with, "I don't really know much about this bill," as an argument, which was "disingenuous, if not an outright lie," as Clere said.

Gibson can snort around here and say anything he wants to people who have no idea about constitutional law, but he knew he could not make such a fool's argument up there. Period.

The New Albanian said...

Serious note: If Rick Fox the parks board attorney is on here, I really need to speak with you. Thanks ... appreciate it.

Anonymous said...

FUNNY TO HERE ALL THESE POSTS SAY "THERE ARE LAWYERS IN INDIANAPOLIS WHO COULD DEBUNK THIS" (WHY CAN'T ANYONE HERE DEBUNK IT? HMMMMM)OR "THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF BILLS THAT APPLIES TO ONLY A FEW LOCATIONS, SPECIFICALLY. DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW DO YOU?" DID YOU NOTICE THESE COMMENTS FAIL TO GIVE ANY REASON OR DETAIL WHY THIS BILL IS OK? LOOKS LIKE SMOKE TO ME, PROBABLY FROM COUNTY PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS POWER GRABBING BILL

THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS SPECIAL LEGISLATION ONLY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. STILL WAITING FOR EXPLANATION WHY THIS IS NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Anonymous said...

I notice you screaming and still not answering the question as to why Shane didn't pursue that angle.

Anonymous said...

NO IDEA, WISH HE HAD. MAYBE HE DID BUT IT WAS NOT REPORTED.

YOUR TURN

Anonymous said...

shirley baird finally takes and stand and announces here support for the park district bill proposed by our great state representative ed clere. looks like she is finally seeing through all the smoke and rhetoric of false claims by shame gibson and his lackeys of the bill being unconstitutional and instead finally listening to what the citizens of this community want.

Anonymous said...

That's what Gibson was claiming before he went to Indy. In Indy he claimed the city didn't get notice of the bill. Why don't you ask him why he argued/did what he did?

Anonymous said...

WHAT GIBSON DID (OR DID NOT DO) IS IRRELEVANT TO VALIDITY OF CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT. HE IS A "RED HERRING"

STILL LOVE TO HEAR A EXPLANATION OF HOW BILL IS NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL. ANYONE AT ALL?

Anonymous said...

And once they get the 20 million they can call it the ed clere aquatic center

The New Albanian said...

With tolls ranging from $1 to $3 dollars per lap.

Anonymous said...

My, my, we are testy.....

Anonymous said...

Unusual testy.

Anonymous said...

Shane, you sure do have a bee in your bonnet about this claim of "unconstitutional bills."

You sure are jealous of Ed Clere.

Anonymous said...

Even Shane's WIFE is jealous of Ed Clere. I've heard some pretty rude stuff out of her mouth.

Actually, I've heard rude stuff out of a lot of people's mouths. Heard some rude stuff about somebody's (who I'd better not name) sexcapades at a dance club in Louisville. It was the most DISGUSTING story.

Why can't people keep their sex stories to themselves? Yuck!

Anonymous said...

Still no one has got anything to say on why the bill is not unconstitutional?

It speaks volumes when a person is asked a direct question and the person responds every time with an attack on someone else (diversion) and does not answer the question posed. What is so scary about that question or explanation?

Anonymous said...

Gibsons the one blowing smoke. He should back up his claims. Instead he uses Marcey as his mouth piece. Sound fimiliar?

The New Albanian said...

This isn't a discussion. Out of 42 posts, only 4 prior to this one have an identity attached to them -- each one of them mine. The rest of it might be described as two hooded people punching each other in a darkened room. How is it that anyone might mistake this for useful dialogue? Verily, years pass and only one aspect of life remains unchanged in New Albany: The eternal cowardice of anonymous. I look forward to all of your veiled ripostes ... LMAO

Anonymous said...

Well, Anonymous 9:04, does it ever occur to you that the one(s) who argue about the constitution aren't getting on here as often as others?

There have been accusations that these posts are done by 1 to 3, or so, persons....Not so.

I don't know anything about the constitution, so I can't answer your "direct question" except to say that the evidence refutes it being "illegal" or "unconstitutional."

First of all, Ed Clere would have no reason to create an illegal law. Secondly, constitutional lawyers at the statehouse look at these laws every day. I'd bet on their knowledge above Gibson's any day.

After Gibson represented my daughter in her divorce several years ago, I'm easily convinced of his incompetence.

So, let's see: Gibson vs Statehouse Lawyers....Guess who wins. Duh.

Anonymous said...

I think the amendment made it legal where the City/County can opt out.

Anonymous said...

And, I hope they don't opt out.

Anonymous said...

I, also, hope they don't opt out. It's a very good bill. A win-win for all entities involved, even those who don't seem to know it.

Anonymous said...

We have bigger issues to deal with beside parks. let's discuss the upcoming election.

How about it?

Who do you support for Mayor, clerk, At-large council and District Council members?

Anonymous said...

Obviously Baylor’s actions speak for themselves. Clearly he finds this site useful or he wouldn’t come here everyday to read it. However, it appears his comment show's that if he were to be elected the only way he would listen to you would be if you provide your name. A good council person listens to all, named or unnamed and researches to find out the merit of the information provided. Simply by one not disclosing their name to a post, phone call, letter, ect does not automatically invalidate their concerns, issues, or information. We need council people who listen to all! Can you imagine how Baylor would be as a council person? I’m sure you can. If you disagree with him and he knows your name, he will smear it across every communication channel he can. He has already proven this while not being a councilman. Is this the type of councilman that New Albany wants or needs?

Anonymous said...

You all have a very short memory...A few years ago a local family donated some land to the city for a soccer field. The park board was behind it the mayor was behind it...but a few neighbors that lived on adjacent property were against it. So "your" councilman and his partner went to bat for the little people to try to squash the deal.

Anonymous said...

And, they lost. Was there and did it. The neighbors lost. Your point is.

Anonymous said...

Good thing they lost. They could have had a lot of worse things put there than a soccer field.

Anonymous said...

It wasn't going to be a soccer field it was to stay a ball park. Now look at what we have the new Getto aka Linden Meadows.

What will they find when they finally open the books?

Anonymous said...

Linden Meadows...What a JOKE...Thanks, Shane.

Anonymous said...

I saw in the Tribune where Matt Nash wrote about all the signs. It's the first time I've read one of his articles and I thought it might be interesting. It wasn't.

He copied Baylor and said that one candidate "alleged" that her sign had been stolen--suggested that it might have been "pranksters," and then told of a Halloween prank that had been done to a neighbor.

What a dope. It's not Halloween, and that sign was deliberately stolen and thrown in a little woodsy area not far away.

When candidates spend good money on signs, it is absolutely wrong for them to be stolen. Besides that, the candidate in question has ALWAYS 1. asked permission, and 2. made sure her signs are not in the right-of-way.

Can't say that about other signs.

I've noticed a few of Etheridge's signs have disappeared. And more Stumler signs going up.

While it DOES seem rather early (3 months of enduring signs everywhere is quite a long while), these candidates ALL have the right to post signs wherever they get permission and we all need to respect that, no matter whether we plan to vote for them or not.

After having witnessed a large sign being stolen (in a previous election year), I can assure you that there are CANDIDATE pranksters (read, the signs are stolen by opponents). Wish I'd had a camera when I saw that one being taken, and I wish I'd been bold enough to holler to them.

Anonymous said...

I seen some signs taken a couple year ago. Know who it was and who's signs they were taking. Kept it to myself but maybe I won't no more. I'm sick and tire of it. For one thing, a lot of signs get throwed in our neighborhood. I don't know where they come from.

Anonymous said...

Stealing signs, destroying signs, etc is a common practice in our fair City.

As a former candidate, I have had my signs tore up in front of my face by, well, I'm just not going to say the group. The ones responsible for enforcing the laws protecting me. Intimidation was their purpose. It didn't work. It simply puts a very bad taste in your mouth and then you realize how desperate some are to keep their jobs.

You have to keep on, and on, and on. The good fight.

Anonymous said...

You got that right! I see a sign being stolen I will introduce them to my friend Smith and Wesson.

Anonymous said...

The bully is still obsessed.
OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED.

The State Representative has been elected. Ed Clere won.

Can we move on to a CURRENT election, please!!

Anonymous said...

He doesn't have anything better to do.

Anonymous said...

You don't understand. It's BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER. BITTER...OBSESSED. OBSESSED. OBSESSED...ETC.

Anonymous said...

See, I told you the bully has a hard on for Clere.

Anonymous said...

Someone just sent me a link to Roger A. Baylor's tweets and here is what I have to say:

Roger A. Baylor has been tweeting for several hours last night and this morning about Ed Clere's column. From what I read, he and some of his usual cohorts are, indeed, bullying now deposed Tribune Editor Steve Kozarovich about Ed Clere's informative and fairly written weekly column containing news and information about the statehouse and about laws we need to know about that are being voted on in Indianapolis.

I see some posts on Kitchen Table. Roger is obviously obsessed, angry, and, yes, bitter. Why he should be thus is beyond my ken.

In any case, my first question regarding this, aside from the obvious jealousy and hatred he harbors toward Ed Clere, is this:

Why is Baylor, someone so consumed a year ago about "neighborhood schools," suddenly not seem at all concerned about a "neighborhood" newspaper that has been serving OUR community since around the time of the Civil War?

Why on EARTH is he looking to convince Shea Van Hoy, in a HUGE HURRY, to dump Clere's column, instead of expressing his dismay at the loss of a business in our own city, and possibly (and probably) the situation of yet ANOTHER empty building in New Albany?

It is this fixation on things that are completely peripheral to his sphere except to avenge his own jealous and angry heart that convince so many of us that Roger A. Baylor is disingenuous, at the least, and an adult bully, to be sure.

And why do we put up with this? Why do we allow Roger A. Baylor to create such a toxic environment for not only State Representative Ed Clere, but for ALL of us as well?

I simply can NOT understand this fixation. It defies logic, especially when the offender is a self-proclaimed PROGRESSIVE, as I am, and believes himself to be sort of a leader of local intelligentsia.

If there is anyone who can figure this out, please enlighten the rest of us. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Can't answer your question. I canceled my subscription a long time ago. No idea.

Anonymous said...

When I read the tweets, I almost felt sorry for @publishersteve but then thought, hey, you helped create the monster.

Maybe reality is dawning on what it takes to run a public campaign and he realizes he doesn't have enough friends, time nor money to do so.

It is such hard work simply getting your signs out and requires numerous friends and helpers. My take is this is why he is not putting out signs for his token run at office and is using the "green" campaign motto. Unfortunately, we all know signs are a necessary evil. Another requirement is you need to have somewhere to put your signs (besides ROW), and I have a feeling he's short on locations, also.

If I was Clere, I'd keep a close eye on our local nut job. Wants to use the newspaper to spew his platform and take Clere out in the process. I mean, how dare the Tribune allow Clere to publish a weekly column informing citizens what is going on in Indy. I'm surprised he isn't complaining about Lee Hamilton, too.

Anonymous said...

desperate people (baylor and his cohorts) do and say desperate things.

Anonymous said...

Clere doesn't pander to Roger, that's why Roger's bellyaching like a beaten cur. I went and read through the whole thing just now. It's obnoxious and stupid. I say, CHEERS to the Tribune for allowing us to finally find out about state laws and information. We sure had't had any of that before now!

The New Albanian said...

Love the Tribune or hate it, your neighborhood newspaper is just as local as your neighborhood Applebee's. CNHI is based in Alabama and exists for the purpose of stockpiling money for that state's pension fund.

Unfortunately, we all know signs are a necessary evil.

I keep looking for this commandment somewhere in the Bible, the Farmers Almanac and Dave Ramsey's Toolkit for Kneejerk No Voting, but can't seem to find it. Help a brother out and point the way, hooded ones.

Anonymous said...

You may be simply looking the wrong way and perusing the wrong information. You may need to seek guidance from your friends in city and county government about the necessary evil of signs.

Our taxdollars paying for the printing of legal notices in the Tribune help stockpile Alabama's pension fund.

Anonymous said...

Pointing the way for you Baylor - - - -> cross that bridge before they toll it and park your @ss in Portland

The New Albanian said...

Nice one, 1:48 -- cryptic, but perhaps the only truly clever line of the day.

As for Portland, I love it: 30+ local breweries, thriving independent business scene, mass transit ... wait, you ARE talking about Oregon, right?

Anonymous said...

Uh, no. But if you like it, feel free to just go there.

Anonymous said...

that bearded leotard freak is a complete wacko along with his desparation book friend kojoke.

Anonymous said...

I'm still more interested in the current races than in anything going on with Baylor. Everybody knows they're as predictable and boring as little old ladies. Nothing to say about it, frankly.

Anonymous said...

If he's basing his campaign on word of mouth he's already lost the primary. Baylor needs to get off his fat blogging ass and buy signs like everyone else.

The only green he's interested in is in his pocket. To cheap to run a real campaign.

But remember folks, you gotta stay sobber to knock on doors and answer questions.

Anonymous said...

Nobody takes Baylor as a serious candidate, not even Baylor himself. It all a game to him.

Anonymous said...

Ed---go do something and quit posting

Anonymous said...

his name is roger not ed.

The New Albanian said...

Ah, yes. The atheist practitioner of drunkism. You people are my best campaign managers.

I'm expected to be serious according to a definition embraced by an anonymous coward. That's a fine course for living?

The fun part about the whole sign business is that it's another bit of folk "wisdom" that cannot be proven one way or the other.

It may be true that no one's ever won an election without a sign of some sort, somehow, and somewhere, but then again, plenty of people raising plenty of signs have lost elections, so what's the point?

Like I said, I'm perfectly free to embrace an authentically Democratic platform now and begin campaigning against the Republican architects of civic disaster, not only in NA, but everywhere in the state that inspired the Klan: Daniels, Bennett, Grooms, and yes, even Clere.

Why wait until fall to start telling the truth?

Thanks for your support.

Anonymous said...

Baylor's bellicose babble. Yawn.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 8:42. They're just not worth talking to or about.

Anonymous said...

So which one of the following real candidates for the at large seat is not going to make it through the primary?

Brad Bell
John Gonder
Patty Walker
Shirley Baird

Anonymous said...

People talk, Baylor. Some, if they are uninformed, make sure they talk with people who do know what's going on.

I personally know someone who didn't put up signs and on election day posted a piece of paper on a stick at the polls. People laughed.

It's true. You can have all the signs in the world, as in the England vs. Overton race and you may not win.

No offense, but in your case, I don't think signs will matter either.

Anonymous said...

You know what, Baylor? The newspaper is as local as Applebee's. So are the schools. Let's see, they're run by a board, funded by the state and federal government, and held back in the dark ages by the Indiana State Teachers Association, whose parent union is the NEA...Yes. Your interests are local. Yell, right.

Anonymous said...

You don't want signs because:

a.I just might enjoy stealing them

b. You've made so many enemies

c. You're to cheap or broke

d. Your campaign is a hoax an a joke

e. You havgen't collected enough cans or bottles to raise the funds

As they say, in Rome do as the Romans do.

What is your platform, Mr. Baylor? Go ahead humor us all.

How hard is it to write Atheist and bully across a commie flag and say Vote for a real loser.

Paid for the committee to elect Roger A. Baylor, Doug England Treasurer

Roflmao

Anonymous said...

Surely, you wouldn't stoop to steal his signs, would you?

Anonymous said...

Since Denhart has the best looking signs maybe she would help him.

NOT!

Anonymous said...

Yes. Out of all the signs, Denhart's are the best. Stumler's are England's old designs with the name changed. Everyone else's signs look like they went to some website and chose from their stock designs. Denhart's looks like someone who knew what they were doing designed her signs. I like Phipps' signs too. They're simple and to the point.

Anonymous said...

I think the Timberlake and Phipps signs are clearly the best.

The show they inspire the hope that the future doesn't have to be as bleak as the past.

Anonymous said...

Phipps, yes, Timberlake, no. Timberlake's a weak candidate. Phipps is a strong one. Wouldn't vote for Randy Smith if he were running for the border. Baylor, either.

Anonymous said...

List of candidates is pretty depressing. Not voting so much for as against the ones in my district & the mayors office.

Anonymous said...

I live in District 1 and Denhart has our families vote, in fact the entire neighborhood of 7th Street.

Anonymous said...

Timberlake is more than a weak candidate. Coffey is history. But ask yourself this question? If Dan had stood up for the people and you ask anyone on the street, do you ever see their Councilman in the street? Or is there anything on the minds of the people the Councilman work for, those people are each and everyone of us. We never see Dan walk the street an ask what's on the minds of the people in District 1.

I think, no rather I know its time for a change, if Dan can't take care of the problems the people have, then its time for a different type of change. Time to pick Denhart, we know what she can do.

p.s. I don't take sides, I stand up for whoever helps the PEOPLE the most and thats Denhart.

Anonymous said...

Actually, now that I drove around while thinking about it, I like Gahan's signs too...Like Phipps' signs, they're to the point and don't wast a lot of space with other stuff...

Still think Denhart's signs are most professional.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

I would really like to know why England is running for Council At Large?

Anonymous said...

I've been asking myself the same thing. Why?

Anonymous said...

Because he wants to keep his hand in the till.

Duh.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think Timberlake is a weak candidate? She went head to head against Coffey four years ago and only lost by 27 in her first attempt.

Denhart has no plan to make our city better. She is just against everything. She claims to have done so much for this city but I don't see it.

Well I guess if the two of you are on her side that should be enough to put her over the top.

Anonymous said...

Too funny

Anonymous said...

People voted AGAINST Coffey, not FOR Timberlake.

Anonymous said...

I have not seen Timberlake at a single council meeting in the last 4 years.

Anonymous said...

Price and Coffey have been at almost every council meeting for the past eight years and have accomplished nothing.

Anonymous said...

Amen 8:35

Anonymous said...

Grow up.

Calling Ms. Denhart the name you used above is the sort of ungracious behavior we've all come to expect from a certain quarter, and it needs to stop. Ms. Denhart's attendance at recent council meetings is neither here nor there, but her willingness to step in and put her own name on the line in the place of so many others who cannot speak up for themselves is nothing short of heroic. I have watched this woman visit with people and stump for them in ways that, frankly, would drive most of us crazy. She's been stuck on hold, has put up with ugly behavior at council meetings, and endures mockery that would make most of us cry.

Do NOT pretend like Vicki Denhart is sitting around doing nothing. You all know better than that.

Anonymous said...

If I had the same amount of time that you people had I would go through this quite informative blog and count how many times you people have called people names.

Then when someone besides the two of you calls someone a name you come to their defense.

Anonymous said...

Baylor and buddies: You all have a LOT more time than all of us have. You're on these blogs, the Tribune, facebook, Twitter. You're on ALL DAY. One day, I was home watching and followed you. It took a lot of my time and I was quickly bored.

Anonymous said...

10:12, I have never, EVER, called anyone on here a name of any kind, and I, too, can come to the swift defense of Vicki Denhart. And before you complain about my being "anonymous," this does NOT invalidate my support.

Vicki Denhart puts up with constant attacks on NA Confidential and other online places (such as Twitter). He keeps insisting that her name is "Erika," something I find, frankly, insulting. He so frequently says that there are "the two of you" writing on here, that I suspect that either he or one of his friends wrote your comment. Vicki does NOT deserve this, and she shows a lot of class putting up with the smut you people hurl her way just because you view her as a threat. It's disgusting.

It may surprise you to know that there are many people who get on here to comment, and that my comments are few and far between. So, do NOT accuse me of being another one of the two people on here. It's disingenuous and a way to put Vicki down by slamming me.

Get a life.

Anonymous said...

To the last commentor who was deleted - it's a shame you do not have your own platform to stand on and constantly have to degrade others. It's obvious who you are and the group you are affiliated with. Wishing and hoping doesn't make it so. And it's a shame. Such a waste.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone attend Monday's council meeting? The newspaper was very vague on their reporting.