Thankful for the earth and the environment for providing us with a place to live. Thankful for the farmers who raise the crops that sustain our life. Thankful for the workers who harvest the crops. Thankful for my education that allows me to get a decent paying job which in turn allows me to put food on the table. I'm thankful for all these things, but neither Jesus nor god had anything to do with it.
Thankful that 12:30 can be free to express their thoughts, and that I can disagree with what they say concerning Jesus and God, who I feel have everything to do with my success.
I wonder if all the city employees Gahan fired is thankful this year? The meatball should be thankful for all the extra money she gets for doing nothing.
Happy Thanksgiving one term gahan and eat more turkey and less meatballs
I'm thankful for the New Albany Fire Dept. They hung Christmas light's on all the buildings downtown to make the city look like Christmas. The unsung hero's. So when you people go to light up New Albany. Thank a Firefighter standing close to you for a great lookiing downtown.
Im thankful for the park's splitting so New Albany can move forward with a great park's system. Oh and by the way. The restroom's at community park were open before the city-county split. Now they are lokced up. I guess we can pee in the lake.
I am thankful that our overpaid firemen got off their ass and hung christmas lights instead of hanging around the firehouse eating chili all day and costing us taxpayers too much money.
You can thank that ignoramous Gahan for the locked restrooms. He's got his head up his butt. Despite his protestations to the contrary, there is NO ONE THAT ISN'T UP HIS ASS that agrees with this parks split. NO ONE.
Happy Thanksgiving, Jeffy. Think about what you've ruined for kids and for every other individual in town.
Can't wait to ride you out on a rail in three years.
As a gay individual, I am thankful for our emerging culture, not to mention all of the hot dudes in the local area. Hubba hubba! And I'm also thankful that I can tell you holier-than-thou religious zealots to BUZZ OFF!
No. Unquestionably, Gahan did the wrong thing with the parks.
Unless he wants to make himself look like a big hero and build a water park and a baseball park.
Oh, wait. That's it, isn't it?
Big man, Gahan. We'll all THANK him in the years to come, right?
Hopefully, they'll come up with a way to keep him from ruining the parks. Hopefully, because there's always hope. You may want to take away all our hope, Gahan, but we STILL hope. Hope to save the parks. Hope to vote you out as soon as possible.
now baylor is a cheerleader for Walmart workers striking on black friday. Thought you wanted boycotts of walmart and shop local so I would expect you want walmart workers to be unemployed anyway blowhard why does their wage situation concern you since you want them on the street not working anyway commie?
9:03. I'm thankful for our Fireman. While your lying in your cushy bed this morning and later eating turkey and cat-napping. Those guys are on duty away from their families. When was the last time you called 911 and nobody showed up? My family has needed them in the past and they were always there when we called. Not like the stupid politicions you all talk about. Mayors and council people come and go. But one thing i don't have to worry about is when i need police or the Fire Department. They are always a phone call away. And that i am very thankful for. Happy Thanksgiving.
Yes, I do find it hypocritical that roger supports the workers of Walmart, but not the company itself nor the customers who shop their. Uh, without those 2 components there would be no workers. Duh.
I'm thankful that there are programs in place to support the ignorant posters here who don't even realize that the social security, unemployment pay, and welfare they receive are the same ones they want gone, but they're not bright enough to figure that out.
I'm thankful that we have a mayor that does the right thing, and not what will appease the ignorant masses, who didn't give two dips about our parks when the city was owed 4 million but now inexplicably have become experts.
I'm thankful that the homophobic, racist, angry, unhappy, pathetic little people have the right to post their stupidity, and that I have the right to call them out as such.
I'm thankful that we have some true visionaries in this town, who are too busy facilitating change to post drivel here.
I'm thankful for Obama, because if he hasn't been elected, we would be in the hands of the deranged fundamentalist right, and headed towards a fascist government all up in my vagina.
I am thankful that NO fireman was hurt hanging lights downtown. Were else in the United States do fireman get paid $90 k to hang lights?
I also am thankful that Pat M. is NOT having turkey day with Gahan. He's so far up Gahan's ass there would be NO room for dressing.
I also am thankful that Shane Gibson thinks he needs to charge us billable hours and that Gahan allows Gibson to rip us off. So Stan when are you going to start earning your pay.
Well lets cry a streak for the police and fire. Yes they our important to all of us and no doubt do a good job. Each one of those men and women choose that job. Talking about being a firefighter and not being with your family, I encourage you to visit the firehouse. For that matter start a petition to go to 8 hour shifts then yo can be home with your families.
Rog you talk about the bicentennial and want to blame Bob , why don't you blame Gahan. Jeff is the one who controls that park, he designed it and is the one who put over a million dollars in it. Believe me Gahan had plenty of time to back away from that park or scale it back. Everyone on the commission knows it.
I'm thankful that my wife supports my sorry ass would be a good one for David Thrasher and I'm thankful that my louisville art bum friend lives off other people, another good one for Thrasher.
8:30 You will have to produce facts to show me that our New Albany Fireman make 90K a year. You are lying. The last time i heard the average pay ranged from 35,000 to 70,000. Depending on senority. That post is false. Any other lies you want to type on here?
message to louisville bums who come to new albany for holidays or any other reason and then bash the town and situation, stay the hell across the bridge loser, better yet take a ten toed taxi since you dont have a car of your own and leave the entire metro area.
hey Baylor how did your plaid Friday work out chump? Rock on with the big chains baby, you little nobody independents are going away just like the stupid bookseller in You've Got Mail!
I got Kohls and Walmart haha, ho ho ho merry CHRISTmas atheist commie
7:52, you are SO right! Can't understand why they think that by SAYING they are owed this money, that will make it true.
I harken back to the person many weeks ago who said that the county owes the parks the money, yet the parks said they could start all over. Or something like that. So there doesn't come the sudden switch to make the money is owed to the city. I don't know how to say it, but even I get it.
No, 8:38. The county does not owe the city a single dime. Unless you think that the money was to be given to the CITY so that they would then have had discretion over how and where it would be spent (and still not give it to the parks). In that case, the money would still BE OWED TO THE PARKS, MORON.
There is not a single, solitary, CPA, controller or financial advisor WORTHY OF HIS OR HER SALT, that would tell you the city is owed a single DIME.
End of story.
Oh, and I'm sure the eyes are watching YOU. I've got nothing to do with this other than as a taxpaying citizen and watchdog.
Who knows. It's probably one of Gahan's stupid ideas. Just like Gahan's lights. They look terrible. The wreath is not completely lighted. In fact the lights look horrible. The bushes in the median look as nice as usual. You'll recall they were installed by Clere & Co. But the lights on the buildings look like crap. What's the missing ingredient? MATT DENISON. This is one of those jobs Matt did, for many hours off the clock, to make New Albany look nice for the holidays. It was a prime example of a truly engaged volunteer effort that was slapped down by the Gahan administration. What I'm amazed about is that Gahan let Clere & Co put up lights. Or maybe he didn't know Clere had anything to do with it, in which case he is now furious that he let it happen under his radar.
You can put the giant bowls down to Jeffy. I'm sure he spent a lot of money on them too.
Apparently I'm not as enlightened as you. Please explain to me how two groups sit down and agree to fund a joint venture like the parks dept. One side pays in what they're supposed to. (City). The other side does not (the county, to the tune of millions) over the years.
I'm supposed to believe that no money is owed? I'm supposed to believe that we should make a new agreement, because this time, the county will pay?
Do you run your personal finances this way?
Seriously. What am I missing? Or, is this just Republican silver spoon county residents mad because they got caught, and underestimated the city's intelligence?
Let's say son Jon and son Don agree to jointly and equally pay for their ailing father William. William wants to live at home, so Jon and Don each agree to pay for half of William's heat, water, insurance, medical, etc.
Jon decides to let Don pay, but (for reasons known only to Jon) doesn't put in any money. Don does. He puts in the full amount, but, seeing that, for the moment, there is money sitting in William's account, he takes some out, using it for himself. This sort of conduct on the parts of Jon and Don goes on for years.
Then, William dies.
First, I think we can see that neither Jon nor Don paid their full share. Both reneged on their original deal. Jon paid nothing, and Don paid and then took money back. William lived on what money was there. He didn't live grandly during his lifetime and he had had to make little money go as far as he could. It wasn't ideal, but it was what he had. Now he was gone.
He had enough insurance to pay for his funeral. The sons divided up his assets.
Now, William is dead. The sons divided up the assets. All of a sudden, Don says to Jon, "You never paid a dime for Dad's upkeep. You owe me $25,000 for four years when I paid my share."
REALLY? Jon owes Don money? Seems to me like Jon AND Don owed their DAD money. But, the dad is dead, so it's all over. Done. They can't pay Dad now. They sure as hell don't owe each other.
Get it?
I'm a lifelong Democrat. I don't think this is any kind of weird Republican silver spoon madness. It's DEMOCRAT madness. I'm humiliated at the mentality of our mayor and his administration who are trying to EXTORT money from the county when NO MONEY IS OWED.
I'm not underestimating the city's intelligence. It'd be pretty hard to do that.
But in this case, William WAS still living until the split...for many years. Also, he was suffering because of the money that wasn't put in by Jon.
Jon's money could have been given to William for years- just because he didn't give it that first year or second...he still could have for a very long time. Don even brought it up to him over the years.
At present, you are right...no one owes anyone. But, in our case, William died precisely because Jon didn't donate, not because he was ailing.
Now, it's a moot point...but Williams dead because of Jon's holding out.
Yes. William (the Parks) was alive. Now it's not. Now, the whole things moot. In other words, the city doens't have a case. The City-County Parks Department is dead.
William may have died because Jon (the County) didn't donate, but he also suffered negligence from Don (the City) who paid funds and then took them back. Neither one comes out spanking clean.
Excellent illustration 11:03. Now, explain all that to Gahan.
the city did not have a clue about any park funding problems until they were told by the park board. the park board started investigating after mama meatball ran the park fund in the red. when mama meatball was asked by the park board why there was no money she said..dah, i dunno. mama meatball didnt keep track as she was suppose to and just kept overspending and overspending to the tune of $4 million dollars. had mama meatball kept track of the park funds as she was paid to do, SHE not the park board would have discovered the funding problem years ago.
11:03 AM. Let us add some more to the story: The two groups didn’t just sit down and agree to fund a joint venture. Don, (the city) who didn’t have enough money to live like he wanted, talked William into buying a home (Parks merger). Don would pay all the bills, pooling the money. They moved in together. Don put money into William’s account regularly (see, there is proof Don contributed). But Don also moved the money around and wrote checks (by Mama Meatball) out of the account to actually pay only a small amount of William’s expenses (William did without many times). Don wrote checks out of William’s account to pay for someone to clean the house, buy lots of food for William, Don and his family, fun ‘business’ trips that didn’t include William, gifts to Don, Don’s family, and Don’s friends, etc. Don didn’t tell Jon he was ‘stealing’ that money from William. Don thinks he wasn’t stealing because it was ‘their’ money (a shell game). Don and his children and friends had a good old time with that money. Jon didn’t know what was going on with the money, but others knew the whole story and told Jon some of it, after William died. Jon had paid for their Mother’s care all by himself (their parents weren’t living together (County paid more than enough before the merger). But Mom and Dad are both dead now. William is dead because Don didn’t take care of him – used William’s money to pay others (Mama Meat ball) to do it for him. Don wasn’t watching – too busy having fun spending that money. So the best thing to do is for each child to go its separate way. That is why the city and county are separating!!!
I agree with 11:03 AM “It's DEMOCRAT madness.” Does anyone want to pay for an AUDIT and lawsuit? Oh that’s right – it is only the taxpayers (Jon) who would foot that bill!!! DON got away with it ALL - AGAIN!!! HA! HA! Doesn’t anyone read his or her history books? There is still more to this story. Ask Mama Meatball or those witnesses to write a book! Cold day in hell . . . ?
True enough. Don did live high on the hog (remember the fat pig at the trough?) and the momma meatball did shuffle funds around. Such a mess. Still doesn't mean that Jon owes Don.
If the county owes money, it owes the PARKS, not the city. It's quite a leap to come to the conclusion you've come to Mrs. Gahan. Your nasty husband wants control of money and he wants to extort it from the County. Stop standing up for him.
What PART of the agreement? From Tribune on November 8, 2012 - “New Albany Mayor Jeff Gahan initiated the split, saying the city has paid about $4 million more toward the service than the county over the past eight years. The joint venture to join the two parks departments was formed in 1994. However, Commissioner Chuck Freiberger said Tuesday that statement is not entirely correct. He said nowhere in the interlocal agreement does it state the county has to approve a separate cumulative capital tax which city residents currently pay. “We were asked to do what the city did [pass a cumulative capital tax] but they did that outside of the interlocal agreement. The city council chose themselves to put that tax on city residents,” Freiberger said. “We were asked to match that, but if we would have done that, city residents would have paid an additional tax. That would not have been fair to them. So when you hear that $4 million number, it’s a little misleading.”
Can’t remember exactly what Mayor England said but wasn’t that cumulative capital tax added in order to build a city pool to replace Camille Wright Pool? England just tried to grab some extra county money to add to it. Go read the minutes of the meetings!
I been going to the meetings. The county owes the city ZERO.
That guy did a great analogy above and it illustrates just how ignorant the city people are to perpetuate the myth that the city is owed any money.
Yes, I live in the city. Yes, I'm pissed that we pay more tax than do people in the county. It's all the fault of poor leadership. We've continuially elected leaders who are money-grubbing power mongers. I don't care what Republican runs next time, I'm voting for them for mayor, council and whatever else. The cycle of stealing our money HAS to stop.
Wow. You all sure wasted a lot of time and space to argue about something that doesn't mean crap. All of a sudden the county is coming up with the money to run their park system. It is over and done with. Now. Let's talk about something that is going to ruin the great state of Indiana. Mike Pence.
Some of you charming ladies need to stop worrying your pretty little heads about all this complicated stuff that you'll never understand. And really, isn't it time to start baking your Christmas cookies now anyway?
Wait a minute we did an audit, certain ones on the council would not follow through the fab 5. Blair,Coffey,Gonder,McLaughlin ,Phipps . 10,000.00 gone again, our council does not want to do there job with the mayor. I agree it is very discouraging.
The parks in the city look neglected because the park board thought the county was more important. That is why a joint park system does not work. That is why we were the only one in the state. Finally, someone did something f about it.
Hey First of all, I am sorry to leave a comment here, I know it is not the right place to ask you what I am going to ask.. I am a student at university in France, and I have to do a presentation about the american election. I have to say what is the kitchen-table issues, but I don't really understand. Can someone explain it to me? I thought I could find some help here, as the blog is called "kitchen-table issues".. Anyway, thank you for reading this comment (if you are doing this) and thank you in advance if you reply to this french absurd (and probably useless) question.
If the county owed any money to the city, it would be only the amount the city have to cover to keep the parks running for the year due to the county shortfall. If the county owed 500,000 a year and only payed 250,000 and the city had to cover the difference to keep the parks running for the year then the county does owe the money. Unless your business ethics are like retarded or something. I wonder how your bank would react if you took out a house loan and your payments were a 1,000 a month and you decided to only pay 500. Dont think you would keep your house very long. You all are thinking like morons. And responding like them also.
People like you might think the same thing about you. But the cool thing is they don't use the type of language you do. Some surrounding cities our looking into a joint venture of parks.
To the student from France: This is a site where all of the leading intellectuals in New Albany, Indiana come to discuss important issues involving our community. We discuss the issues that our families typically discuss around our kitchen tables. As you can undoubtedly tell, a high level of discourse occurs here on a daily basis.
Our leader owns a local brewing company. We love to discuss the issues in his establishment while sipping on progressive pints.
We all have well-reassoned opinions, and we like to debate the best course for our city. Those who seem dumb or inarticulate are just putting on a show for fun. Although a good-natured barb is occasionally thrown out, those who comment on this blog all genuinely love and respect one another. I hope this helps.
Thank you for the answer, and also for the advice. But surrender is not part of my vocabulary, and it will never be. And, sorry again to leave a comment where I shouldn't have to.
Gahan has no idea how to negotiate...its his way or nothing. This is why his first year in office has been a total failure. When he finally makes a decision its usually wrong. City Employees have never been more disgruntled. Three years to go...
The disgruntled city employees are the ones that actually have to work now for a change. The others that worked hard all along aren't the ones complaining.
The police arbitration will not cost the city. The police just wanted to put their Holiday pay into the monthly checks. The money is already in the budget. So cry about something else.
The French student definitely exists. You can see her picture on Google+ when you click on her name above her comment. Looks like this blog has grown so much that people all around the world are starting to ask about it. Bravo, KT, Bravo.
I'm not Baylor either, and I love his beer, the frites at Bank Street, and the beer cheese. Ahhh...I think I need to go support my local restaurants now.
Just read online about the cop's grievance at the Boards of Works. I'm glad I live in the county because the police chief sounds really stupid. More money wasted by the city that should have been paid up front.
I'm not Baylor either and I'm glad I'm not. I dislike Baylor and am sick of his crap. Also sick of him getting on here (or his sidekick) and pretending to be a lot of different people.
11:43 Not pretending to be any one. I've always been the same person i've always been. I have a hankie for your crying if you need it. This place seems to be a whining ground for all your bashing at this baylor person. Is he that much of a threat? Surely there is something more important than this person to talk about. Or is your mind that shallow? Good luck on explaining this one.
Well, I don't talk about the guy and agree that there is something more important to talk about. However, I can see why they talk about him in a way. He sure talks about them. Why just today, he said something about Kitchen Table dentures talking against buying local. Gets old having this guy bash people on this blog just for no reason. I dont' blame them.
I do. I think they bash Rog because they are jealous of him. Either way, love him or hate him, you have to acknowledge that things would be pretty boring around here without Mr. Baylor.
I guess. But i think the city of new albany has more pressing issues than caring if roger baylor say's something about buying local. People are going to buy anywhere they want to. No matter what mr. baylor says. So what. How does he know where people buy. He has no idea where i buy things. I wouldn't listen to him anyway. I am my own person. So let's find something better to talk about.
I nominate Ed Clere for person of the year. I had no doubt that he would easily win reelection. I have been disappointed at the sour grapes some jealous bloggers have displayed toward him since his victory. I predict that in time Ed will wind up as governor of this great state.
I nominate Baylor. After all, he's the town gossip. He's been that way ever since he was in my friend's wedding way back when. He was a real jerk about having to be in church, never mind being a groomsman. Made a real joke out of the whole thing. I nominate Baylor for this one horse town person of the year.
I nominate the French student. She's the most exciting thing that has appeared on this scene in some time. And anyway,she's much better than you multi-jowled troglodytes clacking your dentures all the time.
That was imagery we could have done without, 3:28.
Roger, I'm sure your dentures clack too, you old geez. When your liver gives out on you, you've left enough of a legacy that other nincompoops will follow in your footsteps, talking nasty like you do and saying some of the same crap.
You were nasty a long time ago and stayed nasty, and only the nasty will follow.
And whatever that is that you did in the garage was told to me recently by the guy who posted it. You were even more disgusting than I knew back then. Go back and crawl under that rock, why don't you.
It'd think 3:28 was Roger except that Roger's in bed with them all. He's got it all worked out. He threatens them, they capitulate. It's pretty simple. He's got the Gahans all lined up. Cowards.
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Thankful Obama won.
Thankful for people who behave themselves and are polite to others.
Thankful for people who gently approach others with kindness and a love for Christ.
Thankful that Jesus died on the cross for each of us, whatever and however numerous our sins may be.
i'm thankful for that too. guess we're all a lot of peole that need to think abou tthat.
Free David Cam
Thankful for the earth and the environment for providing us with a place to live. Thankful for the farmers who raise the crops that sustain our life. Thankful for the workers who harvest the crops. Thankful for my education that allows me to get a decent paying job which in turn allows me to put food on the table. I'm thankful for all these things, but neither Jesus nor god had anything to do with it.
So true 12:30, well put.
Thankful that 12:30 can be free to express their thoughts, and that I can disagree with what they say concerning Jesus and God, who I feel have everything to do with my success.
Thankful for my councilwoman.
I'm just thankful SHE is NOT my councilwoman LOL
I'm thankful that I don't live in District 1.
I am 'thankful'that I had the courage to VOTE against Obama.
Christ the Lord is risen today! Alleluia!
I'm thankful that I don't live on Main Street with those phony bitches.
I am thankful for Old Floyds knobs garages
I wonder if all the city employees Gahan fired is thankful this year? The meatball should be thankful for all the extra money she gets for doing nothing.
Happy Thanksgiving one term gahan and eat more turkey and less meatballs
5:08... Look out. You may be the next one to go!
I'm thankful to never be far from the thoughts of these fine kitchen table folks, signed, Rog
Thankful for the Copperhead and Shovin' Stan, and for all the entertainment they provide us throughout the year.
I'm thankful for the New Albany Fire Dept. They hung Christmas light's on all the buildings downtown to make the city look like Christmas. The unsung hero's. So when you people go to light up New Albany. Thank a Firefighter standing close to you for a great lookiing downtown.
Im thankful for the park's splitting so New Albany can move forward with a great park's system. Oh and by the way. The restroom's at community park were open before the city-county split. Now they are lokced up. I guess we can pee in the lake.
locked. sorry
I am thankful that our overpaid firemen got off their ass and hung christmas lights instead of hanging around the firehouse eating chili all day and costing us taxpayers too much money.
I am thankful for the free swimming us west end bums are going to get from sanata dan and his elf jeff gahan
You can thank that ignoramous Gahan for the locked restrooms. He's got his head up his butt. Despite his protestations to the contrary, there is NO ONE THAT ISN'T UP HIS ASS that agrees with this parks split. NO ONE.
Happy Thanksgiving, Jeffy. Think about what you've ruined for kids and for every other individual in town.
Can't wait to ride you out on a rail in three years.
Why stay here? You should just leave town. He did the right thing with the parks.
FYI, the restrooms are ALWAYS closed during the winter; it has nothing to do with the split.
As a gay individual, I am thankful for our emerging culture, not to mention all of the hot dudes in the local area. Hubba hubba! And I'm also thankful that I can tell you holier-than-thou religious zealots to BUZZ OFF!
No. Unquestionably, Gahan did the wrong thing with the parks.
Unless he wants to make himself look like a big hero and build a water park and a baseball park.
Oh, wait. That's it, isn't it?
Big man, Gahan. We'll all THANK him in the years to come, right?
Hopefully, they'll come up with a way to keep him from ruining the parks. Hopefully, because there's always hope. You may want to take away all our hope, Gahan, but we STILL hope. Hope to save the parks. Hope to vote you out as soon as possible.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!
I have pie baking and I can smell the cranberry sauce cooking and I just wanted to share a greeting to ALL of you (even the mean ones).
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
I am thankful that The House is Republican so stick it Obama liberals, you wont get any of your socialism passed for at least 2 years!
I'm thankful that I have an Ohio license plate so I can drive drunk around here and get out of it like Benedetti did
now baylor is a cheerleader for Walmart workers striking on black friday. Thought you wanted boycotts of walmart and shop local so I would expect you want walmart workers to be unemployed anyway blowhard why does their wage situation concern you since you want them on the street not working anyway commie?
9:03. I'm thankful for our Fireman. While your lying in your cushy bed this morning and later eating turkey and cat-napping. Those guys are on duty away from their families. When was the last time you called 911 and nobody showed up? My family has needed them in the past and they were always there when we called. Not like the stupid politicions you all talk about. Mayors and council people come and go. But one thing i don't have to worry about is when i need police or the Fire Department. They are always a phone call away. And that i am very thankful for. Happy Thanksgiving.
I am thankful for fire fighters and police officers. You're right. They're a phone call away.
hey baylor, what happened to buy local? Going to Vietnam Kitchen for Thanksgiving what's wrong with Hubers in good ole southern indiana commie?
Yes, I do find it hypocritical that roger supports the workers of Walmart, but not the company itself nor the customers who shop their. Uh, without those 2 components there would be no workers. Duh.
I'm thankful there is no meatball at my Thanksgiving table.
Now we know 6:55 failed economics. Did u go to school at all?
whats failed economics is karl marx, so I say fire all those walmart strikers and hire some people who want a job
I'm thankful that there are programs in place to support the ignorant posters here who don't even realize that the social security, unemployment pay, and welfare they receive are the same ones they want gone, but they're not bright enough to figure that out.
I'm thankful that we have a mayor that does the right thing, and not what will appease the ignorant masses, who didn't give two dips about our parks when the city was owed 4 million but now inexplicably have become experts.
I'm thankful that the homophobic, racist, angry, unhappy, pathetic little people have the right to post their stupidity, and that I have the right to call them out as such.
I'm thankful that we have some true visionaries in this town, who are too busy facilitating change to post drivel here.
I'm thankful for Obama, because if he hasn't been elected, we would be in the hands of the deranged fundamentalist right, and headed towards a fascist government all up in my vagina.
I'm thankful for progressive Christianity.
I am thankful that NO fireman was hurt hanging lights downtown. Were else in the United States do fireman get paid $90 k to hang lights?
I also am thankful that Pat M. is NOT having turkey day with Gahan. He's so far up Gahan's ass there would be NO room for dressing.
I also am thankful that Shane Gibson thinks he needs to charge us billable hours and that Gahan allows Gibson to rip us off. So Stan when are you going to start earning your pay.
Well lets cry a streak for the police and fire. Yes they our important to all of us and no doubt do a good job. Each one of those men and women choose that job. Talking about being a firefighter and not being with your family, I encourage you to visit the firehouse. For that matter start a petition to go to 8 hour shifts then yo can be home with your families.
Rog you talk about the bicentennial and want to blame Bob , why don't you blame Gahan. Jeff is the one who controls that park, he designed it and is the one who put over a million dollars in it. Believe me Gahan had plenty of time to back away from that park or scale it back. Everyone on the commission knows it.
I'm thankful that my wife supports my sorry ass would be a good one for David Thrasher and I'm thankful that my louisville art bum friend lives off other people, another good one for Thrasher.
Fork you thrasher and your bum art freaks
8:30 You will have to produce facts to show me that our New Albany Fireman make 90K a year. You are lying. The last time i heard the average pay ranged from 35,000 to 70,000. Depending on senority. That post is false. Any other lies you want to type on here?
sure a big Lie, Baylor is 100% a buy local kind of guy and he is a true socialist, another big lie, greedy money grubbing jerk
Isn't Baylor the brewer that has that bar that's a destination for beer enthusiasts around the world?
yeh all the commies go there
Rog says buy local but he sells outside of Floyd County. Sounds like a double standard to me.
Roger talks shift.
hey baylor, walmart strike is a big bust, maybe your underpaid workers can do a walkout on you, that's one all of us would support
message to louisville bums who come to new albany for holidays or any other reason and then bash the town and situation, stay the hell across the bridge loser, better yet take a ten toed taxi since you dont have a car of your own and leave the entire metro area.
cat got your tongue boy?
My, my. Such hostility from the Romney voters.
fork you loser, go get a job, oh that's right you are one of the freeloaders we taxpayers pay for
drinking a good craft brew today not bought at Baylor's house of swill, fork you Baylor
8:28, get it through your head:
THE PARKS HAVE NEVER, EVER, OWED THE CITY $4 MILLION.
The parks owed the city $ZERO and still owes the city $ZERO.
End of story.
7:52...false.
hey Baylor how did your plaid Friday work out chump? Rock on with the big chains baby, you little nobody independents are going away just like the stupid bookseller in You've Got Mail!
I got Kohls and Walmart haha, ho ho ho merry CHRISTmas atheist commie
7:52, you are SO right! Can't understand why they think that by SAYING they are owed this money, that will make it true.
I harken back to the person many weeks ago who said that the county owes the parks the money, yet the parks said they could start all over. Or something like that. So there doesn't come the sudden switch to make the money is owed to the city. I don't know how to say it, but even I get it.
Ok, not so bright poster inferring that someone else thinks the parks owed the city...the county. The county owes the city, for the parks department.
I got my eye on you cat and I know what youre up to
just call me santa claws
the holiday beer jingle walk, another failed drunkfest promoted by garage boy baylor
No, 8:38. The county does not owe the city a single dime. Unless you think that the money was to be given to the CITY so that they would then have had discretion over how and where it would be spent (and still not give it to the parks). In that case, the money would still BE OWED TO THE PARKS, MORON.
There is not a single, solitary, CPA, controller or financial advisor WORTHY OF HIS OR HER SALT, that would tell you the city is owed a single DIME.
End of story.
Oh, and I'm sure the eyes are watching YOU. I've got nothing to do with this other than as a taxpaying citizen and watchdog.
Way to say it, 11:12. You're right.
Nope. You are wrong. We all know it.
What is up with the ugly, giant black bowls downtown?
Who knows. It's probably one of Gahan's stupid ideas. Just like Gahan's lights. They look terrible. The wreath is not completely lighted. In fact the lights look horrible. The bushes in the median look as nice as usual. You'll recall they were installed by Clere & Co. But the lights on the buildings look like crap. What's the missing ingredient? MATT DENISON. This is one of those jobs Matt did, for many hours off the clock, to make New Albany look nice for the holidays. It was a prime example of a truly engaged volunteer effort that was slapped down by the Gahan administration. What I'm amazed about is that Gahan let Clere & Co put up lights. Or maybe he didn't know Clere had anything to do with it, in which case he is now furious that he let it happen under his radar.
You can put the giant bowls down to Jeffy. I'm sure he spent a lot of money on them too.
another brilliant david thrasher art lol project, fork you thrasher
The ugly bowls are from Keep NA Clean and Green.
Then why are the bowls black? ROFLMAO
the meatball says the county owes the city a billion dollar$ for the parks.
The meatball wants to SPEND a billion dollars (actually, I think she's saying $4 million). Either way it's a crock of S**t.
their all full of it
the bowls are black cause jeffy boy had to placate the NAACP
Irv Stumler and Jerry Finn did those bowls.
they suck
meatball mamma is the one who spent the 4 million have her pay the city back
Apparently I'm not as enlightened as you. Please explain to me how two groups sit down and agree to fund a joint venture like the parks dept. One side pays in what they're supposed to. (City). The other side does not (the county, to the tune of millions) over the years.
I'm supposed to believe that no money is owed? I'm supposed to believe that we should make a new agreement, because this time, the county will pay?
Do you run your personal finances this way?
Seriously. What am I missing? Or, is this just Republican silver spoon county residents mad because they got caught, and underestimated the city's intelligence?
Here's a hypothetical situation.
Let's say son Jon and son Don agree to jointly and equally pay for their ailing father William. William wants to live at home, so Jon and Don each agree to pay for half of William's heat, water, insurance, medical, etc.
Jon decides to let Don pay, but (for reasons known only to Jon) doesn't put in any money. Don does. He puts in the full amount, but, seeing that, for the moment, there is money sitting in William's account, he takes some out, using it for himself. This sort of conduct on the parts of Jon and Don goes on for years.
Then, William dies.
First, I think we can see that neither Jon nor Don paid their full share. Both reneged on their original deal. Jon paid nothing, and Don paid and then took money back. William lived on what money was there. He didn't live grandly during his lifetime and he had had to make little money go as far as he could. It wasn't ideal, but it was what he had. Now he was gone.
He had enough insurance to pay for his funeral. The sons divided up his assets.
Now, William is dead. The sons divided up the assets. All of a sudden, Don says to Jon, "You never paid a dime for Dad's upkeep. You owe me $25,000 for four years when I paid my share."
REALLY? Jon owes Don money? Seems to me like Jon AND Don owed their DAD money. But, the dad is dead, so it's all over. Done. They can't pay Dad now. They sure as hell don't owe each other.
Get it?
I'm a lifelong Democrat. I don't think this is any kind of weird Republican silver spoon madness. It's DEMOCRAT madness. I'm humiliated at the mentality of our mayor and his administration who are trying to EXTORT money from the county when NO MONEY IS OWED.
I'm not underestimating the city's intelligence. It'd be pretty hard to do that.
As that other guy said, END OF STORY.
Good one, 11:03. Right on all counts.
But in this case, William WAS still living until the split...for many years. Also, he was suffering because of the money that wasn't put in by Jon.
Jon's money could have been given to William for years- just because he didn't give it that first year or second...he still could have for a very long time. Don even brought it up to him over the years.
At present, you are right...no one owes anyone. But, in our case, William died precisely because Jon didn't donate, not because he was ailing.
Now, it's a moot point...but Williams dead because of Jon's holding out.
the county owes new albany nothing, nada, so get over it Gahan. One term loser.
Yes. William (the Parks) was alive. Now it's not. Now, the whole things moot. In other words, the city doens't have a case. The City-County Parks Department is dead.
William may have died because Jon (the County) didn't donate, but he also suffered negligence from Don (the City) who paid funds and then took them back. Neither one comes out spanking clean.
Excellent illustration 11:03. Now, explain all that to Gahan.
the city did not have a clue about any park funding problems until they were told by the park board. the park board started investigating after mama meatball ran the park fund in the red. when mama meatball was asked by the park board why there was no money she said..dah, i dunno. mama meatball didnt keep track as she was suppose to and just kept overspending and overspending to the tune of $4 million dollars. had mama meatball kept track of the park funds as she was paid to do, SHE not the park board would have discovered the funding problem years ago.
Kay Garry ran the whole city into the red.
Those Garrys are pretty much a worthless lot.
Yes, but Garry did what she was told to do. By Douglas B. England. England run the parks in to the red.
And that still don't mean the county owes the city millions of $.
those meatballs just dont know how to manage money. the city's or their own. meatball who took over for mama meatball has filed banruptcy.
Who the hell cares.
11:03 AM. Let us add some more to the story: The two groups didn’t just sit down and agree to fund a joint venture. Don, (the city) who didn’t have enough money to live like he wanted, talked William into buying a home (Parks merger). Don would pay all the bills, pooling the money. They moved in together. Don put money into William’s account regularly (see, there is proof Don contributed). But Don also moved the money around and wrote checks (by Mama Meatball) out of the account to actually pay only a small amount of William’s expenses (William did without many times). Don wrote checks out of William’s account to pay for someone to clean the house, buy lots of food for William, Don and his family, fun ‘business’ trips that didn’t include William, gifts to Don, Don’s family, and Don’s friends, etc. Don didn’t tell Jon he was ‘stealing’ that money from William. Don thinks he wasn’t stealing because it was ‘their’ money (a shell game). Don and his children and friends had a good old time with that money. Jon didn’t know what was going on with the money, but others knew the whole story and told Jon some of it, after William died. Jon had paid for their Mother’s care all by himself (their parents weren’t living together (County paid more than enough before the merger). But Mom and Dad are both dead now. William is dead because Don didn’t take care of him – used William’s money to pay others (Mama Meat ball) to do it for him. Don wasn’t watching – too busy having fun spending that money. So the best thing to do is for each child to go its separate way. That is why the city and county are separating!!!
I agree with 11:03 AM “It's DEMOCRAT madness.” Does anyone want to pay for an AUDIT and lawsuit? Oh that’s right – it is only the taxpayers (Jon) who would foot that bill!!!
DON got away with it ALL - AGAIN!!! HA! HA! Doesn’t anyone read his or her history books? There is still more to this story. Ask Mama Meatball or those witnesses to write a book! Cold day in hell . . . ?
But, the city and county had a deal, the county was way behind in what it promised to contribute. So, how does the county not owe any money?
PS. Don (the city) got to keep the house and everything in it!
Wait. Who's Mom, and where does she fit in?
I heard mamma meatball lost her house.
True enough. Don did live high on the hog (remember the fat pig at the trough?) and the momma meatball did shuffle funds around. Such a mess. Still doesn't mean that Jon owes Don.
If the county owes money, it owes the PARKS, not the city. It's quite a leap to come to the conclusion you've come to Mrs. Gahan. Your nasty husband wants control of money and he wants to extort it from the County. Stop standing up for him.
Stupid analogy. The county owes the money no matter what names you substitute. It is the same outcome.
And why wouldn't a wife stand up for her husband?
Yes, whether the county owes the CITY or the PARKS it still owes.
Yes. The county chose not to honor the agreement.
What PART of the agreement?
From Tribune on November 8, 2012 - “New Albany Mayor Jeff Gahan initiated the split, saying the city has paid about $4 million more toward the service than the county over the past eight years. The joint venture to join the two parks departments was formed in 1994. However, Commissioner Chuck Freiberger said Tuesday that statement is not entirely correct. He said nowhere in the interlocal agreement does it state the county has to approve a separate cumulative capital tax which city residents currently pay. “We were asked to do what the city did [pass a cumulative capital tax] but they did that outside of the interlocal agreement. The city council chose themselves to put that tax on city residents,” Freiberger said. “We were asked to match that, but if we would have done that, city residents would have paid an additional tax. That would not have been fair to them. So when you hear that $4 million number, it’s a little misleading.”
Can’t remember exactly what Mayor England said but wasn’t that cumulative capital tax added in order to build a city pool to replace Camille Wright Pool? England just tried to grab some extra county money to add to it.
Go read the minutes of the meetings!
I been going to the meetings. The county owes the city ZERO.
That guy did a great analogy above and it illustrates just how ignorant the city people are to perpetuate the myth that the city is owed any money.
Yes, I live in the city. Yes, I'm pissed that we pay more tax than do people in the county. It's all the fault of poor leadership. We've continuially elected leaders who are money-grubbing power mongers. I don't care what Republican runs next time, I'm voting for them for mayor, council and whatever else. The cycle of stealing our money HAS to stop.
And Don and William kissed and made up because, afterall, all politicians are criminals and they want that pocket money more than anything.
They may be criminals, but William is dead, so there's not going to be any chance to make up with the dead.
Can Don and Jon make up?
Not likely.
You're right that the city is not owed money- THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS OWED MONEY. Why can you not get that through your thick skulls?
Wow. You all sure wasted a lot of time and space to argue about something that doesn't mean crap. All of a sudden the county is coming up with the money to run their park system. It is over and done with. Now. Let's talk about something that is going to ruin the great state of Indiana. Mike Pence.
Some of you charming ladies need to stop worrying your pretty little heads about all this complicated stuff that you'll never understand. And really, isn't it time to start baking your Christmas cookies now anyway?
Yeah, Pence is going to really f us up. Yuck. I can't believe so many people are moronic enough to vote for him.
Wait a minute we did an audit, certain ones on the council would not follow through the fab 5. Blair,Coffey,Gonder,McLaughlin ,Phipps . 10,000.00 gone again, our council does not want to do there job with the mayor. I agree it is very discouraging.
there job? You mean their job. God you people are dumb.
Right the city is not owed anything. But the parks in the city are in shambles and the county does owe the parks dept. four million.
The parks in the city look neglected because the park board thought the county was more important. That is why a joint park system does not work. That is why we were the only one in the state. Finally, someone did something f about it.
County doesn't owe the parks dept four million. Gahan killed the parks dept.
Now THERE'S a moron.
Parks Department killed city parks. Wake up.
You wake up, stupid.
So angry!
Hey
First of all, I am sorry to leave a comment here, I know it is not the right place to ask you what I am going to ask.. I am a student at university in France, and I have to do a presentation about the american election. I have to say what is the kitchen-table issues, but I don't really understand. Can someone explain it to me? I thought I could find some help here, as the blog is called "kitchen-table issues".. Anyway, thank you for reading this comment (if you are doing this) and thank you in advance if you reply to this french absurd (and probably useless) question.
If the county owed any money to the city, it would be only the amount the city have to cover to keep the parks running for the year due to the county shortfall. If the county owed 500,000 a year and only payed 250,000 and the city had to cover the difference to keep the parks running for the year then the county does owe the money. Unless your business ethics are like retarded or something. I wonder how your bank would react if you took out a house loan and your payments were a 1,000 a month and you decided to only pay 500. Dont think you would keep your house very long. You all are thinking like morons. And responding like them also.
People like you might think the same thing about you. But the cool thing is they don't use the type of language you do. Some surrounding cities our looking into a joint venture of parks.
To the student from France: This is a site where all of the leading intellectuals in New Albany, Indiana come to discuss important issues involving our community. We discuss the issues that our families typically discuss around our kitchen tables. As you can undoubtedly tell, a high level of discourse occurs here on a daily basis.
Our leader owns a local brewing company. We love to discuss the issues in his establishment while sipping on progressive pints.
We all have well-reassoned opinions, and we like to debate the best course for our city. Those who seem dumb or inarticulate are just putting on a show for fun. Although a good-natured barb is occasionally thrown out, those who comment on this blog all genuinely love and respect one another. I hope this helps.
Dear French student...surrender now!
Thank you for the answer, and also for the advice. But surrender is not part of my vocabulary, and it will never be.
And, sorry again to leave a comment where I shouldn't have to.
The French student appears to be quite lovely. I would like to surrender to her right now.
NA police win their arbitration. Wonder what that will cost us taxpayers for Gahan again not sitting down for a compromise.
Gahan has no idea how to negotiate...its his way or nothing. This is why his first year in office has been a total failure. When he finally makes a decision its usually wrong. City Employees have never been more disgruntled. Three years to go...
There is no French student.
Three years? Probably not...I bet you get fired before then.
The disgruntled city employees are the ones that actually have to work now for a change. The others that worked hard all along aren't the ones complaining.
The only people happy with Gahan are his political appointees, and democrat suck asses...that's it.
Yes. Way wait til the election? FIRE Gahan. Can't we do some sort of "no confidence" vote or something?
Gahan won't last three more years.
Btw, how does Gahan think were going to be able to pay these bond payments back?
Yawn.
Fork you Thrasher!
The police arbitration will not cost the city. The police just wanted to put their Holiday pay into the monthly checks. The money is already in the budget. So cry about something else.
Cry about leaving town Baylor. And take Phipps with you.
The French student definitely exists. You can see her picture on Google+ when you click on her name above her comment. Looks like this blog has grown so much that people all around the world are starting to ask about it. Bravo, KT, Bravo.
12:14, you have GOT to be kidding, right? 'people all around are asking about it'? Please.
People all around are asking about what?
And why would a French person give a hoot about Kitchen Tables?
And why does Roger send his friends to get on here and say his SwillHouse is so good and that he's the one who shows love and kindness?
Wow, the Kitchen Table Issues blog has gone world-wide. Congratulations!
As if.
11:53 Baylor didn't write 11:51. I did. I am not Baylor
Then you're a Baylor groupie. Same thing.
Always crying about something... same old thing.
5:44, Baylor didn't write 11:53 or 11:51. I did. I am not Baylor, either, so quit your lying.
Baylor is an ok guy who makes good beer and pizza. I could care less he's a commie as long as he keeps making those yummy fries. Go Baylor!
I agree that the French girl looks very cute, but her dog looks vicious. I would be careful if I were you.
I'm not Baylor either, and I love his beer, the frites at Bank Street, and the beer cheese. Ahhh...I think I need to go support my local restaurants now.
Just read online about the cop's grievance at the Boards of Works. I'm glad I live in the county because the police chief sounds really stupid. More money wasted by the city that should have been paid up front.
I'm not Baylor either and I'm glad I'm not. I dislike Baylor and am sick of his crap. Also sick of him getting on here (or his sidekick) and pretending to be a lot of different people.
Since he revels in the fact that you people keep talking about it, why don't you stop?
Yawn.
11:43 Not pretending to be any one. I've always been the same person i've always been. I have a hankie for your crying if you need it. This place seems to be a whining ground for all your bashing at this baylor person. Is he that much of a threat? Surely there is something more important than this person to talk about. Or is your mind that shallow? Good luck on explaining this one.
Well, I don't talk about the guy and agree that there is something more important to talk about. However, I can see why they talk about him in a way. He sure talks about them. Why just today, he said something about Kitchen Table dentures talking against buying local. Gets old having this guy bash people on this blog just for no reason. I dont' blame them.
I do. I think they bash Rog because they are jealous of him. Either way, love him or hate him, you have to acknowledge that things would be pretty boring around here without Mr. Baylor.
I guess. But i think the city of new albany has more pressing issues than caring if roger baylor say's something about buying local. People are going to buy anywhere they want to. No matter what mr. baylor says. So what. How does he know where people buy. He has no idea where i buy things. I wouldn't listen to him anyway. I am my own person. So let's find something better to talk about.
You're your own person...how totally precious.
Well, you're pretty silly. How 'bout that?
Well, you're pretty silly. How 'bout that?
Ditch roger and lets get down to talking about something that matters.
I would rather be silly than jealous and hateful. I know . What is the outcome of the police arbitration ? any one know. I cannot find anything out..
Our police department won!!!
Gahan your right your not getting any sewer increases because its not in your control.
You're right, not your. God you people are dumb.
Ed Clere really should have removed that sign.
What did they win ?
Grammar King, give it a break.
Queen.
going to see a dog about a dog are you, I know who the real dog is
Who is the real dog?
Walk up and ask one of the police officers that's who told me.
going to louisville to put a leash on you dog
I've been offline for over a week. Got back on to check the usual places. I'm going away again.
I've been offline for over a week. Got back on to check the usual places. I'm going away again.
This site sure has been quiet.
I nominate Ed Clere for person of the year. I had no doubt that he would easily win reelection. I have been disappointed at the sour grapes some jealous bloggers have displayed toward him since his victory. I predict that in time Ed will wind up as governor of this great state.
Person of the year is Gahan, because he's all you three ever talk about.
I nominate Mary Ann Prestigiacomo, a true leader with honesty and integrity.
How about Warren Nash, the man behind the throne.
I nominate Councilman Phipps for introducing the Human Rights Ordinance which moved New Albany into the 21st Century.
i nominate Phipps for fag of the year
how about David Thrasher for biggest joke of an artist this side of the brige
Phipps over Denhart? If you say so. You're the expert.
I nominate Stan Robison for being even tempered and level headed.
I nominate Baylor. After all, he's the town gossip. He's been that way ever since he was in my friend's wedding way back when. He was a real jerk about having to be in church, never mind being a groomsman. Made a real joke out of the whole thing. I nominate Baylor for this one horse town person of the year.
I nominate all of you ridiculous pieces of anonymous garbage.
Maryann a true leader. What are you smokin? Warren Nash the womanizer who ran around on his wife.
I nominate the French student. She's the most exciting thing that has appeared on this scene in some time. And anyway,she's much better than you multi-jowled troglodytes clacking your dentures all the time.
I nominate suzie gahan for screwing jeff gahan and since gahan is screwing us I guess suzie is screwing all of new albany by proxy
That was imagery we could have done without, 3:28.
Roger, I'm sure your dentures clack too, you old geez. When your liver gives out on you, you've left enough of a legacy that other nincompoops will follow in your footsteps, talking nasty like you do and saying some of the same crap.
You were nasty a long time ago and stayed nasty, and only the nasty will follow.
And whatever that is that you did in the garage was told to me recently by the guy who posted it. You were even more disgusting than I knew back then. Go back and crawl under that rock, why don't you.
3:28 is a sicko. We know what he is thinking about. Pervert. Why is that even allowed?
It'd think 3:28 was Roger except that Roger's in bed with them all. He's got it all worked out. He threatens them, they capitulate. It's pretty simple. He's got the Gahans all lined up. Cowards.
Rog threatens them? Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of his, but how does he do that?
Guess i'll wait for a new story line. This one is a joke.
Happy Thanksgiving
FORK Y0U, THRASHER!
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