NEW ALBANY TAX ABATEMENTS - HOW MANY ARE THERE?
We were reading the Courier Journal June 16th, 2010 about Indiana House Speaker B. Patrick Bauer and how he is seeking information from the state's top economic development agency to determine if it is lax in taking back tax breaks from companies that fail to create promised jobs.
New Albany's tax breaks (tax abatements) are off the charts. (And we wonder why our revenue is short!) When we investigated tax abatements for this City we found a whole lot of issues.
One, simply getting the report from the then Auditor was a tough job. When we asked for the report of tax abatements for the City we received four pages.
Knowing there were a lot more, we had to dig deeper. It took a person outside of government to tell us to ask for tax abatements broken by township. We then received over 20 computer print out sheets. The amount was staggering. Especially compared to one in the whole of Floyd County, SHOTS.
We see business and individuals come in to Council meetings and it seems as long as they appear, their abatements are extended. No questions asked, no paper work checked, no checks and balances.
There are people living in the County getting tax abatements. There are people who have sold their businesses and still get tax abatements (property sold on contract which doesn't tickle records). We know of non-profits (who don't file taxes) getting tax abatements. New Directions at first had one and the City actually called them trying to get them to come back and renew theirs. They declined.
At least the State is looking at business payroll to determine if the payroll is adequate to kick the tax incentives. Nothing like this exists.
You have to ask yourself what is the racket and how does the racket work? There has to be something in it for the individual handing them out yet citizens don't know his angle.
If England annexes Charlestown Road's businesses are we simply going to turn around and give them all tax abatements? How much you want to bet we will? Then, there goes our revenue to pay for the annexation.
Vicious circle.
This was a topic at the Mayor's meet and greet and we were discussing same today. How do you feel about this give away? To us it would be okay if citizens simply knew Council and/or the Deputy Mayor followed up or checked on any of these businesses. Until they do, we'll probably be discussing this issue until the cows come home.
What do you think?
(I have to apologize for this article running together. I appreciate the opportunity to blog on here but I can't get the paragraphs to space apart.)
77 comments:
Every dollar spent or surrendered by abatements needs to be measured and if it doesn't measure up, it should be revoked. That's a much different question from how many abatements we grant. If they all are providing an incremental return, fine. If not?
I ask Teresa Plaiss - Auditor and she showed me the city gave $32 million in tax abatements. She also showed me the county only gave 1, and yes she said only " 1 abatement."
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under 503 C regulations, non-profits are not required to pay taxes. In regards to local taxes its simply a matter of completing form 103 short along with a 104. The swipe against non-profits was not even relevent to the topic at hand
I'm new in New Albany. What are tax abatements and TIF's?
Thanks
In response to 8:22, maybe you need to contact: Shelle England or take a stroll down Spring and Main Street.
Trying to keep it on track folks.
HOW MANY TIF'S DOES NEW ALBANY HAVE?
Too many. We have one in wetlands and we know they can't build 700 condos there. Carl will probably tif any annexation also along with tax abatements. I am tired of hearing them cry about lack of revenue. And after they cry, they raise our fees.
When are the impact fees rising for developers? And others? Rather than impact us?
What are the requirements to qualify for tax abatement and how long will the tax abatement plan last? Also, who over sees this?
All of those CF-1 Forms they approve at Council are tax abatements.
I had a form once and I "think" you simply said you were going to employ x number of people and taxes were abated for a stagger of years. The time period? 7 years?
Another thing if you have noticed it. As long as you show up at the Council meeting (or send a rep) you get your tax abatement re approved. For how long?
Carl handles that issue along with the TIFs. Who else?
gonder has proposed they do not have to be represented anymore at the meeting.
BTW--when we annex that new area--they become exempt from paying the 50% sewer surcharge for users outside the city limits---who will make up the difference?--maybe a rate increase
Yep that's rite. The hidden costs.
Just read on NAC that Leo fired Mr. B. If only the Tribune would follow.
I'm surprised he didn't blame Price instead of Coffey. But hey, he got fired and wishful thinking about the Tribune.
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If you do not like his columns just do not read them. You, me, everyone has the right to be able to write in to the editor. Because you do not agree with what a person says does not mean you have to try and censor them, it just means you are free to choose or not to choose to read it. It applies there, it applies here, it applies everywhere.
Wait---you said columns and letters. WHich is it he writes? There is a huge difference. Most of his columns are self serving and they consist of only three topics. It surprises me that even a rag like the bune would have his column after he called the woman a lying bitch at a public meeting(even if she is). It just goes to show everyone what a poor editorial staff serves the bune.
by writing the tribune, you're just showing them that you're reading the paper. they like it when people read the paper. suckas!
wow. someone was mad s/he couldn't spread lies on shirley's blog any more so s/he had to go start this one.
spread spread spread those lies around.
Louisville is getting 100 new jobs. In today's Courier-Journal. Average pay is $60,000. From the CJ:
State and local tax incentives, worth up to $3 million over a three-year period, helped lure Dometic to Louisville over Nashville, Tenn.; Charlotte, N.C.; and other midsized cities, Whyte said. On Thursday, the Louisville Metro Council is expected to vote on a resolution to authorize a state-funded $250,000 economic development grant to the company.
If my memory has not failed me, it was a Tribune Jeers written about Baylor's comment.
Don't forget that the State Street Parking Garage TIF Fund owes our EDIT $3.6 miliion.
The Courier had another article yesterday about unemployment still being high and most people falling off the named list.
I think that's even more reason for the State to check up on their economic incentives and New Albany TO TAKE UP TAX ABATEMENTS AND TIFSSSSSS.
County has to cut $1,000,000 from budget and some city employees get a 3%, some get 5%, and others get 8% raises.
What did rate payers get?
Increase sewer and stormwater fees. More increases coming down the pike I am told.
I attended last evening's budget hearing. Fire Chief Julliot said and I quote; No one cared about what we made until it appeared on blogs and finally the local newspaper. Now, everyone is mad as hell knowing what we make.
I think it's time to put all meeting on tv so everyone can see what really goes on instead of the Tribune spinning England's lies and ideas.
Did you know the police had added an additional $200,000 for new police cars? Boy, did Price give them an ear-full.
Glad someone is looking out for us "small" people.
of course price doesnt want more police and fire in our city. this way he can rent to drug dealers and get insurance money if one of his properties has fire damage.
im a little person but price has a pee sized brain.
Who are you kidding 9:50 am?
Name the drug dealers and the fires he has had.
I'd rather talk about the police and fire and budgets and TIFS, etc.
Can't stick to the topic? Got too much money?
The Police need a Mustang with the Charger on the front burner.
Which office ran up a phone bill of $1,500.00 in one month?
Looks like they busted Messer on FOX News tonight. It's time to load our cam corders and go after England. It's time we expose him for the drunk and crook that he is.
In case you missed it on TV:
"ONLY ON FOX: Messer investigated for sick leave"
http://www.fox41.com/Global/story.asp?S=12697617
City would never know if someone ran up a phone bill like that. I figure it is on the County side.
Nasty and personal comments can't be and anything constructive happen at the same time. Some people are more worried about other citizens than their own business.
It was a county office. But a nice little cover-up so taxpayers won't hear about it.We got the info out of the auditor's office. See there are honest people working downtown who does not like what's going on in our city either.
England sure wants to take Jack out, my understanding is this is the part England plays in all of this. He had Harl place the complaint, had someone contacted the NAACP, and guess what he now has him on tape. Like I say let's get our camcorders out and get England on tape. We can play just as dirty as he can.
"Smile England" we're going to put your ass on...YOU TUBE!
Count me in too. I'm on board to take England out, he's no better than Bernie Maddoff.
The entire England administration is a a ponzi scheme, that's why he doesn't want the books audited.
lmfao
Anyone have in thoughts on the Annexation Scam England is trying to pull?
I personally think he ought to go to prison for what all he's doing to the citizens of New Albany.
Just where is the annexation line supposed to be?
Here is a serious question. the same voices that decry every action or inaction of mayor england were many of the same voices the complained about garner, overton, england part 1, real, and so on. What will it take to silence all of the negativity coming from the same places? I am not trying to be an a$$hole, I am just actually curious.
Got another serious question to follow the previous comment. Those 3 Mayors campaigned on different promises. So if all those 3 Mayors acted the SAME once in office (with one being Republican), then who is behind them pulling their strings? Think about it. I am very concerned.
Why does it have to be a consipracy theory? Why can it not be chalked up to the simple fact our political stock in this town is not any good? We keep electing from the same circles, regardless of political party affiliation. So much gets lost in ten separate groups demanding this, demanding that, fighting each other that even if we did manage to get a good administration nothing can get done properly. Honestly there is no one in this town with ability to play puppet master with so many people. perhaps the people have just set their expectations too low. Think about it. I am very concerned also. We will collectively choose shady people everytime over honest, hardworking, locally successful people.
I guess conspiracy is how YOU define it. I have heard of ‘problems’ with the old voting lever type machines. I have heard ‘tales’ of reversing the ballot count numbers (example 234 to 324 – sorry to those with dyslexia). More than likely the “honest, hardworking, locally successful people” who have run for political offices, give up after having their eyes opened and dealing with the political process and some people. Talk to some who have actually run for office (and some who are actually in office). Talk to some of the media folks, who cover the stories. Talk to the voters who have ‘given up’ on having their votes counted and the ‘best’ candidate not getting put into office. People are tired of candidates saying certain things to get into office and totally switching that position.
Now, what to do about it? Any answers?
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well I for one am one of the ruined folks. It wasnt the politicians who did it, it wasnt the ballot machine or transcribed numbers that did it. It was my fellow voters who did it for me. Why participate in a system that has roving groups of people who demand everything eb black and white, for us or against us? The problem we have now is that less than savvy politicians have come in to fill the vaccuum left behind by a feuding constituency.
Do I have answers or ideas, sure I have a lot of them, but I have more questions than answers. However when in the political climate that we are in here in this city, it is not a matter of if you have good answers, or thought provoking questions, it is a matter of who you may possibly and casually socialize with. Once you have been deemed to ahve talked to the wrong person, thats it, game over. From that point on every aspect of your life, personal, professional, public and private is fair game.
We've heard it before:
"Birds of a feather flock together."
First Impressions!
but why does it have to be like that around here? we are too small of a community with too many problems to alienate people just because of who they may talk to on occassion. I know of other people this has happened to as well. Good people with good ideas, but they are just burned to the ground before they have the chance to say anything. Perhaps our politicians know this and are playing the same games?
New Albany is a very, very small town - with old ways and very protective. People know what goes on everywhere. Word has always spread fast - just like the internet. Who said -
"All politics is local"?
It is the truth. Yes, there are games being played and lots of other stuff too!
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It is bad enough that stumler has promised jobs to the police chief-fire chief--matt dennison and dicky but now in today's tribune mayor engaland congratulatess some local basketball players and uses stumlers logo--'making it happen"---i wonder who paid for the add??
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